Playing ahead and acting like you didn't.

[kshadeMember]

kuzna22: Ok. But did he or did he not pretend like somehow everything in the last two shows were somehow new to him? Is this not dishonest? Honestly I just want to bring this to the fans attention. Shouldn’t we have the right to know?

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I agree with you to an extent, but please stop being so high and mighty about it. It’s not helping. He’s mentioned it during past shows when he played ahead so this could as well be a minor oversight. Also, Fraser doesn’t need a script to be funny.

[isophistModerator]

You’re leaving out the part of the conversation where he says he’s mentioned how he’s played through PW before and isn’t faking that excitement. And that knowing what happens doesn’t diminish how an exciting moment is still exciting. Or how Becky and Ben’s first reactions add to the experience. And how he’s said on shows before that he’ll sometimes play through games ‘from now on.’ That last bit being when Fraser himself brought this to the fan’s attention. He didn’t go back and cut out the part of the episode where you can see the save file, did he? It’s not like he’s hiding that. It’s not like anyone else couldn’t have spotted that.

[kuzna22Member]

kshade: I agree with you to an extend, but please stop being so high and mighty about it. It’s not helping. He’s said during past shows when he played ahead so this could as well be a minor oversight.

Its clearly not an oversight. When he played ahead in Withcer 2, he told everyone and acted accordingly. He wasn’t surprised by anything and he referenced to stuff that would happen later.

In Mass effect 2. People said it was hard to believe that he played through before. He is quite the actor.

Also. Phoenix Wright is completely different. After all. Anyone watching that playthrough knows he played it before. He even says hes played it before an bunch of times during the playthrough.

How many times did he say that during ME2?

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[kshadeMember]

I said “it might as well be”, not “it definitely was”.

[twitchmonkeyMember]

I don’t see why he couldn’t have just asked Neko or checked one of the many available pages that detail the necessary sequence of events. I don’t expect him to go into that sort of stuff blind, but I would prefer that. To see his initial reactions, but more importantly because he’s driving the bus. If he’s playing ahead and that’s causing him to plan out the sequence of events, that makes it less of a natural view of how the game is and reduces the chances of the playthrough going off in weird directions. Would Fraser plan to grope a statue in Datura for 5 minutes if he’d played it before? Those things just happen randomly. If I wanted to watch an MLG no-scope world 1st speed run I would go elsewhere.

[isophistModerator]

kuzna22:
Also. Phoenix Wright is completely different. After all. Anyone watching that playthrough knows he played it before. He even says hes played it before an bunch of times during the playthrough.

How many times did he say that during ME2?

isophist:
And that knowing what happens doesn’t diminish how an exciting moment is still exciting. Or how Becky and Ben’s first reactions add to the experience. And how he’s said on shows before that he’ll sometimes play through games ‘from now on.’ That last bit being when Fraser himself brought this to the fan’s attention. He didn’t go back and cut out the part of the episode where you can see the save file, did he? It’s not like he’s hiding that. It’s not like anyone else couldn’t have spotted that.

@twitchmonkey He’s not playing every game ahead. He played THIS game ahead because he’d played through it blind on previous shows, and that caused him to be nervous about the quality of the upcoming show.

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[kuzna22Member]

twitchmonkey:
I don’t see why he couldn’t have just asked Neko or checked one of the many available pages that detail the necessary sequence of events. I don’t expect him to go into that sort of stuff blind, but I would prefer that. To see his initial reactions, but more importantly because he’s driving the bus. If he’s playing ahead and that’s causing him to plan out the sequence of events, that makes it less of a natural view of how the game is and reduces the chances of the playthrough going off in weird directions. Would Fraser plan to grope a statue in Datura for 5 minutes if he’d played it before? Those things just happen randomly. If I wanted to watch an MLG no-scope world 1st speed run I would go elsewhere.

Yes exactly.

@isophist

He has done it with ME2 sure. You really think he may not do it to other games too? I will say again. Fraser can play ahead when he wants. Its his show.

But, he should tell us.

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[twitchmonkeyMember]

isophist:
@twitchmonkey He’s not playing every game ahead. He played THIS game ahead because he’d played through it blind on previous shows, and that caused him to be nervous about the quality of the upcoming show.

I’m just saying that I for one would prefer to see as much as possible done without previous experience. You have to make the choice for each game separately about whether you want things to go more smoothly or to present things more naturally. In some situations scripted works, I’m not sure ME2 was one of those situations and I don’t really want to see that sort of content becoming more prevalent than it is now.

[isophistModerator]

I think he’ll do whatever produces the best show.

I don’t see how him saying he’ll play games ahead sometimes is somehow a riotous event if he doesn’t remind you. I understand making a complaint, but you started this thread like a smear campaign.

I don’t like how you’re assuming this will become a regular event.

I really don’t like how you’re using bits of the conversation to help your cause while ignoring other bits. Even after I point them out.

[kuzna22Member]

isophist:
I think he’ll do whatever produces the best show.

I don’t see how him saying he’ll play games ahead sometimes is somehow a riotous event if he doesn’t remind you. I understand making a complaint, but you started this thread like a smear campaign.

I don’t like how you’re assuming this will become a regular event.

I really don’t like how you’re using bits of the conversation to help your cause while ignoring other bits. Even after I point them out.

I am sorry if it somehow coming off like a smear campaign. I apologize completely to Fraser for that.

But. I am just a little concerned. He did it once. Or twice if you count the two separate shows.

How should the turbos feel about this? If you read the chat during the finale, you can see people saying they can’t wait to see how Fraser handles the suicide mission. At one point someone says. “Hey guys,stop helping Fraser.”

People even thought Fraser should run it without Neko’s advice. Which he didn’t need of course. That’s the kinda thing I think could be avoided if Fraser just said he already beat it. But then it would be a wholly different kind of experience.

[apocMember]

You know, after watching E3 with Fraser and then watching the show with everyone, Fraser somehow manage to always act like it’s new to him and the show was still enjoyable even though nothing was new for me. So I honestly don’t see what difference it makes if he play the game before hand as long as the show is still good.

Since Fraser can act like he never played a game before, I would actually prefer not knowing when he did. (Well except like in Phoenix Wright since it wasnt something recent.)

Plus, Fraser went to film school so he knows what he’s doing. he could easily take note of funny things he does when playing alone and act them on the show while saving time by not messing up in some part. As long as it feels new what do we care, it’s a pretty causual show since he play on Fraser mode.

[kuzna22Member]

apoc:
You know, after watching E3 with Fraser and then watching the show with everyone, Fraser somehow manage to always act like it’s new to him and the show was still enjoyable even though nothing was new for me. So I honestly don’t see what difference it makes if he play the game before hand as long as the show is still good.

Since Fraser can act like he never played a game before, I would actually prefer not knowing when he did. (Well except like in Phoenix Wright since it wasnt something recent.)

Plus, Fraser went to film school so he knows what he’s doing. he could easily take note of funny things he does when playing alone and act them on the show while saving time by not messing up in some part. As long as it feels new what do we care, it’s a pretty causual show since he play on Fraser mode.

A trailer and a game is two completely different things. I have no problem with show and trailer at all. It’s just like a guy showing his buddy a cool youtube video he found online. That is 100 percent fine.

Also, playing ahead in games is fine. So long as he keeps us on the same page.

I’m sure no one tunes in to the show to see someone pretend to play a game for the first time

[ninjakoopaMember]

I agree with this, but to a certain extent. I think that often times it can be important for Fraser to play ahead in or test out a game. After all, no one wants to watch Fraser play a bland game or get lost in/excessively struggle with part of a game. It’s not entertaining for the viewers and I’d imagine it must be very frustrating for the gang. So if Fraser has to test out a game or play ahead to a certain point in order to have things run smoothly during a show, that’s fine with me. (Also, preparing jokes ahead of time is understandable. After all, Fraser just wants the show to be entertaining, and it can be very difficult to do that if all he has to go on is improv.)

However… As someone who’s beaten ME2, I was looking forward to seeing the gang’s reactions to the climactic final mission of the game. Therefore, I am a bit disappointed to learn that what I saw was just an act on Fraser’s part. Becky and Ben still had genuine reactions to the end of the game, but it would have been nice to see how the actual player of the game would react. On the other hand, I think Fraser did a good job of pretending it was all new to him (I certainly wouldn’t have known otherwise if not for this thread), so it’s not as if it’s affecting the quality of the show. If it was obvious that it was all an act, I think it would be a bigger issue.

In conclusion, I personally think that Fraser shouldn’t play ahead through something as important as the end of a game. It sort of hurts the feelings of the people who were looking forward to that point and thought that they were seeing his genuine reactions. However, if he feels that it’s absolutely necessary for him to do so for the sake of the show, then that’s his decision to make and I am willing to accept that (as long as he’s still able to put on a convincing act; I think it would be pretty awkward otherwise).

[mutant1988Member]

Not worth making such a big deal out of. I’d rather have him know what’s up ahead and figured out a way to deal with it rather than the show grinding to a halt at every road cone or major obstacle.

I’ve had this very issue with the last two games I played, running into an obstacle and having no indication what to do and thus getting stuck. I don’t want to even imagine how frustrating that would be with an audience watching.

But I would prefer him to not do this with all games.

Use your mods more Fraser, like you have done with Neko, have them brief you on essential information for the game and tell you whether it’s a good idea to play ahead or not. Generally, just try to plan rather than play in advance.

I do enjoy your genuine reaction to what happens on screen, but for the sake of the keeping the show going, I understand the necessity of sometimes playing ahead.

For Mass Effect 3 though, I’d prefer you going in blind. You have ensured the ideal starting conditions, now it’s time for you to make the choices and suffer the consequences, all on your own.

[kuzna22Member]

mutant1988:
Not worth making such a big deal out of. I’d rather have him know what’s up ahead and figured out a way to deal with it rather than the show grinding to a halt at every road cone or major obstacle.

I’ve had this very issue with the last two games I played, running into an obstacle and having no indication what to do and thus getting stuck. I don’t want to even imagine how frustrating that would be with an audience watching.

But I would prefer him to not do this with all games.

Use your mods more Fraser, like you have done with Neko, have them brief you on essential information for the game and tell you whether it’s a good idea to play ahead or not. Generally, just try to plan rather than play in advance.

I do enjoy your genuine reaction to what happens on screen, but for the sake of the keeping the show going, I understand the necessity of sometimes playing ahead.

For Mass Effect 3 though, I’d prefer you going in blind. You have ensured the ideal starting conditions, now it’s time for you to make the choices and suffer the consequences, all on your own.

I would much rather he plan things out. It seems Neko happens to be a king when it comes to dispensing useful information. If all else fails, have the turbos give advice.

I would prefer that, than him playing ahead and then pretending. Even worse. I was just watching the ME2 conclusion and Fraser told everyone that he would like to try it on his own. People genuinely thought Fraser did all that in the moment But he just followed the same course he already planned.

Seriously having him reason out his team selection for the final mission, like he is actually racking his brain. It left a weird feeling in my gut.

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