Playing ahead and acting like you didn't.

[proudplatypusMember]

Did it hurt the show? No? Then I relay don’t see what the issue is with him doing this for this particular instance. This isn’t going to be the right decision for every game, but if this is one of his options that makes for the best show sometimes then so be it. And to be honest I think it probably did make for the best show in this instance.

Sure watching him mess thing up can be fun sometimes but you really can’t do that in this game. It’s consequences are to far reaching compared to other games and that’s not the type of play through they are going for.Plus it’s an extremely exiting ending and if he had been upfront about it, it would have taken away from the ending and become the elephant in the room. Besides he probable was genuinely exited to see it again, it’s a good ending.

[kuzna22Member]

proudplatypus:
Did it hurt the show? No? Then I relay don’t see what the issue is with him doing this for this particular instance. This isn’t going to be the right decision for every game, but if this is one of his options that makes for the best show sometimes then so be it. And to be honest I think it probably did make for the best show in this instance.

Sure watching him mess thing up can be fun sometimes but you really can’t do that in this game. It’s consequences are to far reaching compared to other games and that’s not the type of play through they are going for.Plus it’s an extremely exiting ending and if he had been upfront about it, it would have taken away from the ending and become the elephant in the room. Besides he probable was genuinely exited to see it again, it’s a good ending.

It didn’t hurt the show per se, but it does have some consequences. The chat wasn’t allowed to participate in a substantial way.

I just don’t like the show heading in this direction and this is a bad precedent to set. Now Fraser can do this in every game and you may never know. If he feels like he never has to say anything. He could just play all the way through ME3 right now and then play it on the show a month later. He may pretend to take your advice then if you are so lucky.

[spidergliderdriverMember]

I thought the point of the Mods telling Fraser the important details he might want to know was the best way of keeping him off playing the games ahead, and yes, it definitely felt really cheap when we saw Fraser already knew what was gonna happen. Agreed with you, and thanks for this thread, OP.

[mutant1988Member]

kuzna22: The chat wasn’t allowed to participate in a substantial way.

Substantial being telling them how to play? Because it usually just leads to confusion and/or annoyance (on either end) when the chat tries to do that.

Fraser can’t rely on the chat either, simply because there’s just too many people in it. Filtering out useful information is next to impossible, unless it’s repeated by multiple users.

My point? Our involvement in the actual game is minimal. As I see it, our function is more of a social one, to comment on what’s happening, making jokes and occasionally providing tips. We don’t dictate how they play the games, mostly, we’re just along for the ride.

But this is an entirely different matter than him playing games in advance. The problem with the latter is the lack of genuine reactions. The former? Not an issue (Or at the very least, not a new one), we aren’t involved in such a substantial way to begin with.

[tychoMember]

I have a similar viewpoint like kuzna22.
Frasier should not play ahead (the main story missions), especially in games like Mass Effect. ME is easy enough to get through everything without turning into grinding. I was kind of surprised that they got through the game without people dieing and thought Frasier actually did a good job in selecting the teammates etc. To learn now that is was all fake and planed in advance is disappointing. In Mass Effect there are some big surprising reveals (like the Archangel Scene) and considering how over-sensible the crew usually is about spoilers, I kind of feel cheated, if Frasier acts surprised if he actually already experienced the scene.

• This reply was modified 10 months, 3 weeks ago by  tycho.

[Duncan325Moderator]

kuzna22: It didn’t hurt the show per se, but it does have some consequences. The chat wasn’t allowed to participate in a substantial way.

I just don’t like the show heading in this direction and this is a bad precedent to set. Now Fraser can do this in every game and you may never know. If he feels like he never has to say anything. He could just play all the way through ME3 right now and then play it on the show a month later. He may pretend to take your advice then if you are so lucky.

Do you really think that along with running 4-5 shows a week, editing those videos for release, creating highlights, researching future games, arranging show & trailers, playing tf2, and whatever other daily activities he does he is going to be able to find the time to do full playthroughs of 40 hour games?

The chat had been giving guidance for mass effect 2 that was suspect at best and rather than risk having the show go terribly and the climax of mass effect 2 generally being ruined for everyone involved, Fraser played through it ahead of time to assure that things would go smoothly. He has said multiple times in the past that he does this from time to time and that it is necessary for some games.

While you are welcome to suggest things to Fraser that you think might improve certain aspects of the show, spreading conspiracies that are not even remotely grounded in reality in public forums is going to stop now and this irrational projection of Fraser being some guy that deceives his audience by writing jokes ahead of time and betrays them by feigning interest in their advice is garbage.

[oidiscoMember]

I honestly don’t see the issue here. From what I’ve read, the reason he played ahead was to ensure that the show ran smoothly. Especially because in pretty much every ME2 show, the chat was going crazy about things you can or can’t do and most of the time they were wrong. That might have worried him a bit so playing ahead is perfectly reasonable.

And about him only getting through the Suicide Mission with nobody dying because he played it earlier, I doubt that’s the reason. Between doing the loyalty missions, having Becky and Ben help, the chat going nuts, the fact that the choices are painfully obvious and that Fraser isn’t an idiot, it’s easy to believe that had this been the 1st time he did the mission, he would’ve gotten the exact same result.

So yea, you’re completely overreacting

• This reply was modified 10 months, 3 weeks ago by  oidisco.

[sanialaMember]

Well I hope Fraser won’t make a habit out of this. I do enjoy seeing their actual reactions in the show.

[mrcheese777Member]

Well in my mind this is the kind of game where you want to play ahead.

[spidergliderdriverMember]

Most of you are missing the point of the OP.
Its not that Fraser played ahead, its that Fraser acted like he didn’t.

[oidiscoMember]

spidergliderdriver:
Most of you are missing the point of the OP.
Its not that Fraser played ahead, its that Fraser acted like he didn’t.

It really doesn’t matter. So what if he played ahead and didn’t tell us, it didn’t make the show any less entertaining and thats what matters.

Also in the OP, he made a point about Fraser preparing jokes beforehand. I’m gonna say that’s complete bullplop. I can’t imagine anybody seriously thinks he plays these beforehand, makes notes on what could be funny and prepares a joke for the show.

[mrcheese777Member]

spidergliderdriver:
Most of you are missing the point of the OP.
Its not that Fraser played ahead, its that Fraser acted like he didn’t.

I get the point, I think that he should always tell us when he dose it.

[servebotfrankMember]

What’s the issue here dude? I recall we already discussed this with you last week when you started making a big deal about this on chat. Two weeks ago when we told Fraser it might be good to get Legion first and he went off and played Animal Crossing that day, he went ahead to make sure everything would be fine and that the Suicide Mission would go fine. There is no problem to this, it is not a big conspiracy.

Are you telling me that you would prefer Fraser going through blind, listening to false advice from chat, and screwing up the Suicide Mission to the point it stops being fun to watch? Are you seriously telling us that it would be better?

[isophistModerator]

mrcheese777: I get the point, I think that he should always tell us when he dose it.

Why? What’s the difference between him giving a blanket statement that it could happen, and announcing it on the occasions he does it? 1700+ people stayed perfectly entertained during the last two ME2 shows. How would announcing each time make the show better/worse?

@et_al And let’s stop this, “he’ll do it all the time now!” crap. That’s one comment being taken out of context by a person who didn’t care enough about the show to create an account until he had something to be mad about (or, alternatively, someone claiming there’s dishonesty about while creating an alternative account to post all this).

[joshuaoMember]

servebotfrank:
What’s the issue here dude?

I think the issue is that Fraser didn’t acknowledge this, and that this may set a precedent for future shows of him going ahead and playing the big reveals.

But yea it’s not an issue, this is the first time he’s done it that we’re aware of, and the ending of ME2 is a very easy place to mess up, a dry run is a good thing to do.
And not telling us immediately was also the thing to do, telling people he had seen it would probably detract from the end for some people, but if it weren’t for the showing the 40h save at the start no one would have guessed that he played ahead.

For this instance this was the best move. If he carries on doing it then that’s another question for another day, because there’s no indication that he is going to do that.

• This reply was modified 10 months, 3 weeks ago by  joshuao. Reason: I can't english

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