Spawn camping is NOT a legit strategy.

[phillipchanterMember]

Okay, again I’m bitching, but honestly this needs to be said as it’s 100% truth. Despite what Fraser says, Spawn Camping is not (nor will it ever be) a legitimate strategy.

Today I was trying to practice being a sniper, we were on harvest so I was assuming that we were just goofing off. I played for at least a half an hour but I noticed every member of RED was near spawn, they were just rocket jumping at first so my complaints were focused on the map itself. Then it got to the point where there was a heavy on one side with a revved up mini-gun and a medic behind him, and a soldier on the other side. Both were shooting at whomever dared to open those doors. There is no third exit.

Spawn camping is something a winning team does to prevent at least half of the players on a server from playing, every minute today that I played was spent extremely close to spawn, until the point where the enemy team was just waiting at the doors. That’s not fun, that genuinely upset me knowing that half of the other team wasn’t letting me and everybody else on the opposite team play. That’s not a strategy, that’s being an asshole! And I seriously hope somebody contacts Fraser and tells him these exact words I’m typing right now: “Spawn camping is the act of keeping the enemy team from playing.”

Those exact words, I DARE YOU to say that, or spawn camp him the next time he plays. Five keys says he’ll change his mind on this “stategy” and feel the same amount of frage I’m having right now.

[gukingofheartMember]

Depends on the class your using and weapons…also depends on the amount of players your going against.

As a sniper you could get your bow ready, slowly move towards the door and fire. Then take a step back and touch the locker..instant healing. So it’s a fair move.

However in those cases where your out numbered and there’s a big respawn time, it can get annoying.
I have no real problem against spawn camping unless if they out number me and noone helps me out of spawn.

[lycaMember]

im soory to disagree but this topic ahs been discussed many times already in threads and ingame, the only thing i can say is that the area infornt of your spawn is NOT a magical area where you are safe or can just hang out and not get killed, as soon as those doors open your a target.

durin messin around i can see that the situation you were in would be overkill, yet in a real game this situatuion just almost never happens, and it is durin real games that spawn campin is and in my opinion will always be a legit strategy.

[projectMember]

I have never spawn camped and nor will I ever, it isn’t a legit strategy and it is just plain being a dick. They are probably the same “try hard” people that think getting to the top of the leaderboard automatically makes them the best.

I like to think we have a more casual atmosphere than that on our server and we are able to show a bit more consideration than herp derping at the opponent’s door with a minigun. It is only going to lead to people spamming 8 heavies on each team every match.

[gukingofheartMember]

Uh, what about payloads? If you don’t constantly attack them as they leave the spawn your just letting them have a chance.

Harvest is a small map, sometimes the best way to kill them(as a spy) is to attack them right at their base.
There’s two types of spawn camping..the legit kind where they have a chance..and the jerk kind where they die over and over again…if I notice I’m killing someone way too easily, I back off a bit because it gets a little boring…unless if it’s payload.

[laughingramMember]

Did it break any rules? Nope. Did the enemy team win? Yes? Legitimate strategy.

It’s perhaps not the most sportsmanlike strategy (or one I find fun to do, so I don’t bother doing it) but it works.

Just get some Heavy Medics and Pyros and the like on your team and kill the campers.

[lycaMember]

You cant see it that black and white, There are instances (which i meant) where it should be allowed, and its up to the server to be calm minded and fair people to know what is owke and what isnt. Not based on i don like that and i like that but is it fair. Havin the entire enemy team infront of your spawn killin you ignorin the objective would not be fair.

When your playin the objective your behind or need a lead and a demo jumps to their spawn and starts killin i don see the unfairness their.

Havin a spy camp the enemy spawn to pick the medic to deprive the enemy of their ubers i don see a problem with that.

Seein it as balck and white where if it can be seen as spawn campin its bad is just silly, there are many ways to spawn camp and it should be atleast alittle clear that the most extreme versions should be pretty dickish to do.

[projectMember]

laughingram:
Just get some Heavy Medics and Pyros and the like on your team and kill the campers.

Exactly my point, people spam more heavies and it just gets out of control. It always does.

gukingofheart:
Uh, what about payloads? If you don’t constantly attack them as they leave the spawn your just letting them have a chance.

I’m not saying there should be a strict rule, I’m saying people should show a little more consideration.

tl;dr You people care about winning far too much if you spawn camp. Stop being a dick, show some consideration.

[gukingofheartMember]

Yes, totally agree. In a real game if you keep dying, it’s time for a change in plan so you can push your way out.

edit: BTW, don’t classify me as one of you people..I don’t really do it in most cases. :)

• This reply was modified 10 months, 2 weeks ago by  gukingofheart.

[blaziosMember]

Maybe next time you shouldn’t keep headshotting me from the other side of the map while I’m trying to tickle people :P

[isophistModerator]

You’re talking about legit strategy while you assumed it was screwing around, you’re calling out the server host, the language and rage that comes from you in-game…

Are you pissed at the camping? Pissed you didn’t get to screw around? Pissed at Fraser? Pissed not everyone agrees with you? Just pissed?

Are you trying to have a discussion or attack someone?

That warning I sent you before about language and behavior in-game extends to not calling anyone an asshole because you’re pissed off, yet again, on the forums as well.

[arudonMember]

I despise spawn camping with a fiery passion, so I usually try to stray away from the enemy’s spawn even if I have the opportunity, because I think spawn-camping is completely dishonorable.

That said however, people are welcome to it. Spawn camping can easily be countered if everyone just switches to soldier/demo and starts spamming rockets and grenades out the door. Even a dead-ringered spy can slip by and take care of things.

However, if you’re trying to get out of spawn as /a sniper/ of all things, then obviously you’re not going to get far. The reasonable strategy here is to switch to an offensive class just long enough to clear everyone from your spawn and give your team some breathing room, and then switch back to sniper if you please.

I share the same general idea that Fraser has: Spawn-camping is a jerk-thing to do, but people are still allowed to do it as a ‘strategy’ if that’s what they want to call it. like all ‘strategies’ in TF2, it can be countered pretty easily if you know how to work the game and what you’re doing.

[eisbehrMember]

phillipchanter:
Okay, again I’m bitching

Yup.

phillipchanter:
this needs to be said as it’s 100% truth.

Nope.

It’s called “your opinion”. Opinions are a nice thing, turns out they are so nice that most people already have their own. So, while it is a jolly gesture to share yours, chances are you can keep it to yourself and leave the rest of us with ours.

I played in this “match” too, on your team, and didn’t think the spawn camping was all that bad. The thing about spawn camping is that the team that is being camped always has the upper hand when it comes to resources. Chances are spawn camping is going to hurt you more than it helps.
Chances are also that people will shoot at you in TF2, pretty much what the game is about.

Maybe you should just take a TF2 vacation for a while. Did it too, feels great.

[otakudan1988Member]

I’m going to sound like a jerk for saying this, but I have seen you target one or two people of the server and ONLY headshot them and ignore everyone else on the other team during the whole time you are in there.

Honestly, I do not see anyone else that plays on the server make so many threads about getting angry and raging because of someone did something to you. you need a break from tf2, why not play minecraft for a while.

[gukingofheartMember]

“Maybe you should just take a TF2 vacation for a while. Did it too, feels great.”

TF2 is suppose to be fun..but I seen people play it with aggravation which leads to more aggravation.
I don’t care how many times I die, I just play to have fun.

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