Why aren't there more games with boobies?? This is why…

[firefly966Member]

It’s stupid, plain and simple. No matter how real it may look, NOTHING can ever replace images of real life, and every kid/normal person realizes this.

And to that woman who stated the following in the OP’s video: “A University of Maryland study states that boys that play video games can not tell the difference between video games and the real world if they don’t have real life experience”:

http://writergarage.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/confusing-fantasy-with-reality/

Apparently, she was full of garbage, not to mention even the study itself was garbage (though finding the original copy is next to impossible, at the moment).

[nightmareirisMember]

Oh goodness. Violence, Boobs, Sex. Wah Wah Wah. Ya know what!? If the studies show that young boys can’t tell the difference between reality and video games, was I not a boy? I understand kids shouldn’t be looking a boobies and nudity but, it has a BUTT and a SIDE BOOB. Cartoons show butts and yea, side boob is alittle far.. ALITTLE, but that’s it. Kids are typically to think how their parents tell them too, if the parents says nothing then, the kid will be like oh well, I guess it’s okay. And there’s way worse things in the world then Mass Effect showing a butt shot and a side boob shot.

[azurillkirbyMember]

The third point in the first post is a very sad and unnecessary side of publishing. There’s something similar with movies. There is a NC-17 rating, but guess what! Most theaters and publishers will not distribute movies that receive NC-17 ratings. So most movies have to either tone down violence, nudity, profanity, and immaturity a little bit, or go all out with it!

And for the record, (I assume “Hot Coffee Mod” was referring to the McDonald’s Hot Coffee case) it isn’t actually as bad as people make it out to be, there actually is some logic behind it, but that’s not a conversation for this topic.

[nocoolnames13Member]

The NC-17 movie rating was killed off mainly because “Show Girls”, the last NC-17 movie made, was a disastrous flop and a horrendous movie, and no movie studio since then has wanted to risk the money loss. In the 70′s and 80′s there were quite a few X rated movies(the X rating was renamed NC-17 because the porn industry started calling their movies XXX rated), some of which (Last Tango in Paris, Midnight Cowboy) won Academy Awards.

Overall, I think the lack of true adult, mature content in video games is another example of the industry being a victim of it’s own success. The people who fund and publish video games nowadays are more worried about maximizing profit then putting out a good game. And the same people fear that disparaging news reports could hurt their sales figures, which is funny because controversy usually makes more sales then it takes away.

Hopefully, with Witcher 2 being on Xbox, and therefore, a larger market, will get Fox News’ panties in a bunch, and sales figures will shoot up and all the publishers will let developers start to take bigger risks with game play elements.

[caelniasMember]

firefly966:
And to that woman who stated the following in the OP’s video: “A University of Maryland study states that boys that play video games can not tell the difference between video games and the real world if they don’t have real life experience”

Common sense itself cues you into realizing the faults in the argument and so called “study”. It’s impossible to not have real life experience, unless you are born into a virtual world and live all your life there. Also, confusing reality with fantasy is a mental illness. I’d reckon that gamers aren’t probably universally mentally ill, or something real would’ve already been done about it. Just you know, guessing.

[w1nker90Member]

Actually Kirby the “Hot Coffee Mod” was originally a feature in GTA: San Andreas where you could have interactive sex in the game but it was disabled before release. Some people found it and made a patch to enable it again. The Rating would then be pushed up to AO which means no big gamestore would sell it.
Here´s some more information.

To get on topic again:
I´ll side with the people calling this whole system hypocritical. You gonna let your kids see people sliced in half with body parts flying around (Prototype for example) but a bit of nudity is too much?!.
Yeah that´s stupid in my opinion.

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[travelersfMember]

Whenever I see/hear/read media going crazy over some nudity in a video game, it gets my quad in a twist.

Yes, there’s the obvious hypocrisy concerning violence and nudity. Punching, kicking, shooting and killing people is usually more acceptable than nipples. I don’t really know where this comes from, it’s not solely and American thing. I guess people want to think that kids are purely asexual, they couldn’t possibly handle anything that has something to do with sexuality (including nudity). Violence, though horrible, isn’t really that complicated in video games. And I guess most people trust their kids enough to be sure that they understand the difference between in game and real violence. But again, anything sexual will apparently mess with their minds.

I’ve NEVER understood the big tabu that is nudity. I was raised accept the fact that nudity is simply natural, and that there’s nothing wrong or twisted about it. So even as a kid I didn’t see any big deal about it. Ok, boobies, pussy, dick, so what? Really, it’s the people that don’t understand these things that go crazy over them (and not in a funny way). So basically if you just talk to your kid about this, they can handle any boobs that video games throw at them.

[tychoMember]

@flashce
Fraser does not know what he talks about, if you don’t believe me, watch the Witcher 2 Trailer PrePax Show. He is complaining that there are not more games with boobies and says “it got the worst rating, why not put in boobs…” talking about M rated games.

@travelersf
The big tabu about nudity is solely an American thing (if you talk about the First World Countries)! Everywhere else nudity is fine as long as there is no explicit Sex involved. Most countries in Europe will give a game with nudity a teen rating for age 15/16 as long as there is no violence that get them rated higher.
I just looked up the USK (German Self-Monitoring of Entertainment Software) Homepage for the definition of the ratings they give and nudity is not even mentioned. It is all about violence.

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[travelersfMember]

@travelersf
The big tabu about nudity is solely an American thing (if you talk about the First World Countries)! Everywhere else nudity is fine as long as there is no explicit Sex involved. Most countries in Europe will give a game with nudity a teen rating for age 15/16 as long as there is no violence that get them rated higher.
I just looked up the USK (German Self-Monitoring of Entertainment Software) Homepage for the definition of the ratings they give and nudity is not even mentioned. It is all about violence.

I was a bit unclear, what I meant was that parents are usually more worried about sexual content in media than violence. Though this is completely based on my own observations, so you’re probably correct anyway. It just seems to me that violence is more acceptable in media than nudity. Perhaps because there’s so many levels of it that we’ve kinda used to the ‘normal’ stuff.

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[otakudan1988Member]

well, the problem is that clip on the first post in this thread was Fox News. they like to make anything into a “this is corrupting america”

[pw132Member]

Personally I’m glad it’s this way. I don’t want games to be inane sexfests. I want games to be recognized as a legit art form, and having examples like GTA doesn’t help the case already. Now imagine if erotic nudity is allowed. Is any non-gamer going to look at that and say “That is legit, I respect it and will not mock you for enjoying it?”

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[shadowbadger0Member]

pw132:
Personally I’m glad it’s this way. I don’t want games to be inane sexfests. I want games to be recognized as a legit art form, and having examples like GTA doesn’t help the case already. Now imagine if erotic nudity is allowed. Is any non-gamer going to look at that and say “That is legit, I respect it and will not mock you for enjoying it?”

I agree with the fact that I don’t want mainstream games to just be about sex, but the argument that allowing nudity in games would turn them into this I don’t agree with. Movies and books can have nudity and sex in them without turning them into straight porn. The fact that some people would look at a game with nudity and mock you for playing is inevitably going to happen to begin with, but people being disgusted and upset with change of that nature is always going to happen and has happened for other media. Being able to have nudity in video games would allow them to make more convincing and interesting worlds for gamers old enough to handle it and I believe for video games to ever truly be a legitimate art form they have to be able to push boundaries and make statements about things like sex, nudity, and other controversial topics. Side note – as an American I will say that I agree that our obsession as a nation with nudity and sex and our allowance of violence is not the most logical thing in the world.

[ramrodwillyMember]

If you look at the history of broadcasting, as well as the associated American social norms and national goals compared to those of European and other allies, then you may understand why violence is more acceptable than nudity in media.

It essentially boils down to three factors:
-US being pretty much the only nation broadcasting television during World War II (programs logically were pro-war)
-US assuming an aggressive superpower and world police role (hello pro-violence) after World War II while allies were focused on rebuilding (hello pro-unity, pro-sexuality, etc.)
-US parents teaching their children as they themselves were taught, meaning social change is slow (people in power are largely Baby Boomers)

Give it a decade or two, wait for the Baby Boomers in power to pass away, then we’ll start to see change (in more than just broadcasting laws).

[ibunwestMember]

I’ve always been in the minority of people who really have no interest in nudity in games. I’d even go further and say fan-service disinterests me. And just so there’s no confusion, I’m not here saying they should ‘clean up’ games at all, merely that it is not a selling point to me, and the same would go for any game where you might see any kind of nudity.

EDIT: To be fair, I also feel the same way about excessive amounts of violence. I’m not opposed to it; but for example, Mortal Kombat, doesn’t make me jump up and buy it just because of the obscene amounts of gore.

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[heigenMember]

Developers don’t have balls. It’s all about money money money.

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